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Commander

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Aegar, the Freezing Flame
Whenever a creature or planeswalker an opponent controls is dealt excess damage, if a Giant, Wizard, or spell you controlled dealt damage to it this turn, draw a card.
Legendary Creature - Wizard Giant
Aegar, the Freezing Flame (mul) 161

Commander

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Draw

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Fire Giant's Fury
Target Giant you control gets +2/+2 and gains trample until end of turn. Whenever it deals combat damage to a player this turn, exile that many cards from the top of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
Sorcery
Fire Giant's Fury (khm) 389
Glimpse the Cosmos
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
As long as you control a Giant, you may cast this card from your graveyard by paying
rather than paying its mana cost. If you cast this card this way and it would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead.
Sorcery
Glimpse the Cosmos (khm) 60
Graven Lore
Scry X, where X is the amount of
spent to cast this spell, then draw three cards. (
is mana from a snow source.)
Snow Instant
Graven Lore (khm) 61
Invasion of the Giants
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Scry 2.
II — Draw a card. Then you may reveal a Giant card from your hand. When you do, this Saga deals 2 damage to target opponent or planeswalker.
III — The next Giant spell you cast this turn costs
less to cast.
Enchantment - Saga
Invasion of the Giants (khm) 215
Kindred Discovery
As this enchantment enters, choose a creature type.
Whenever a creature you control of the chosen type enters or attacks, draw a card.
Enchantment
Kindred Discovery (c17) 11
Tectonic Giant
Whenever this creature attacks or becomes the target of a spell an opponent controls, choose one —
• This creature deals 3 damage to each opponent.
• Exile the top two cards of your library. Choose one of them. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card.
Creature - Elemental Giant
Tectonic Giant (afc) 144

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Giant Stuff

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Boldwyr Heavyweights
Trample
When this creature enters, each opponent may search their library for a creature card and put it onto the battlefield. Then each player who searched their library this way shuffles.
Creature - Warrior Giant
Boldwyr Heavyweights (mor) 85
Bonecrusher Giant
Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell, this creature deals 2 damage to that spell's controller.
Creature - Giant
Bonecrusher Giant // Stomp (eld) 291
Borderland Behemoth
Trample
This creature gets +4/+4 for each other Giant you control.
Creature - Warrior Giant
Borderland Behemoth (c15) 142
Calamity Bearer
If a Giant source you control would deal damage to a permanent or player, it deals double that damage to that permanent or player instead.
Creature - Berserker Giant
Calamity Bearer (khm) 125
Dolmen Gate
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to attacking creatures you control.
Artifact
Dolmen Gate (lrw) 256
Footfall Crater
Enchant land
Enchanted land has "
: Target creature gains trample and haste until end of turn."
Cycling
(
, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
Enchantment - Aura
Footfall Crater (iko) 118
Goblin War Drums
Creatures you control have menace. (They can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
Enchantment
Goblin War Drums (a25) 133
Hamletback Goliath
Whenever another creature enters, you may put X +1/+1 counters on this creature, where X is that creature's power.
Creature - Warrior Giant
Hamletback Goliath (c15) 156
In the Web of War
Whenever a creature you control enters, it gets +2/+0 and gains haste until end of turn.
Enchantment
In the Web of War (bok) 108
Quakebringer
Your opponents can't gain life.
At the beginning of your upkeep, Quakebringer deals 2 damage to each opponent. This ability triggers only if Quakebringer is on the battlefield or if Quakebringer is in your graveyard and you control a Giant.
Foretell
Creature - Berserker Giant
Quakebringer (khm) 145
Rimeshield Frost Giant
Ward
(Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays
.)
Creature - Warrior Giant
Rimeshield Frost Giant (afr) 69
Shatterskull Charger
Kicker

Trample, haste
If this creature was kicked, it enters with a +1/+1 counter on it.
At the beginning of your end step, if this creature doesn't have a +1/+1 counter on it, return it to its owner's hand.
Creature - Warrior Giant
Shatterskull Charger (znr) 159
Skaab Goliath
As an additional cost to cast this spell, exile two creature cards from your graveyard.
Trample
Creature - Zombie Giant
Skaab Goliath (isd) 76
Sneak Attack
: You may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield. That creature gains haste. Sacrifice the creature at the beginning of the next end step.
Enchantment
Sneak Attack (2xm) 145
Sunrise Sovereign
Other Giant creatures you control get +2/+2 and have trample.
Creature - Warrior Giant
Sunrise Sovereign (c15) 166
Surtland Elementalist
As an additional cost to cast this spell, reveal a Giant card from your hand or pay
.
Whenever this creature attacks, you may cast an instant or sorcery spell from your hand without paying its mana cost.
Creature - Wizard Giant
Surtland Elementalist (khm) 375
Surtland Flinger
Whenever this creature attacks, you may sacrifice another creature. When you do, this creature deals damage equal to the sacrificed creature's power to any target. If the sacrificed creature was a Giant, this creature deals twice that much damage instead.
Creature - Berserker Giant
Surtland Flinger (khm) 377

Giant Stuff

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Land

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Command Tower
: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity.
Land
Command Tower (cm1) 2
Snow-Covered Island
(
: Add
.)
Basic Snow Land - Island
Snow-Covered Island (csp) 152
Snow-Covered Mountain
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: Add
.)
Basic Snow Land - Mountain
Snow-Covered Mountain (sld) 328

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More Control

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Back to Basics
Nonbasic lands don't untap during their controllers' untap steps.
Enchantment
Back to Basics (uma) 46
Berg Strider
When this creature enters, tap target artifact or creature an opponent controls. If
was spent to cast this spell, that permanent doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step. (
is mana from a snow source.)
Snow Creature - Wizard Giant
Berg Strider (khm) 47
Blood Moon
Nonbasic lands are Mountains.
Enchantment
Blood Moon (2xm) 118
Frost Titan
Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter that spell or ability unless its controller pays
.
Whenever this creature enters or attacks, tap target permanent. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
Creature - Giant
Frost Titan (sld) 220
Frostfist Strider
Ward
(Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays
.)
When this creature enters, tap target creature an opponent controls and put a stun counter on it. (If a permanent with a stun counter would become untapped, remove one from it instead.)
Creature - Elemental Giant
Frostfist Strider (dmu) 51
Giant's Grasp
Enchant Giant you control
When this Aura enters, gain control of target nonland permanent for as long as this Aura remains on the battlefield.
Enchantment - Aura
Giant's Grasp (khm) 384
Glacial Crevasses
Sacrifice a snow Mountain: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.
Enchantment
Glacial Crevasses (ice) 187

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Opponent Tears

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Battle of Frost and Fire
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — This Saga deals 4 damage to each non-Giant creature and each planeswalker.
II — Scry 3.
III — Whenever you cast a spell with mana value 5 or greater this turn, draw two cards, then discard a card.
Enchantment - Saga
Battle of Frost and Fire (khm) 204
Blasphemous Act
This spell costs
less to cast for each creature on the battlefield.
Blasphemous Act deals 13 damage to each creature.
Sorcery
Blasphemous Act (cmr) 162
Crush the Weak
Crush the Weak deals 2 damage to each creature. If a creature dealt damage this way would die this turn, exile it instead.
Foretell
(During your turn, you may pay
and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
Sorcery
Crush the Weak (khm) 128
Crush Underfoot
Choose a Giant creature you control. It deals damage equal to its power to target creature.
Instant Kindred - Giant
Crush Underfoot (mma) 109
Dingus Staff
Whenever a creature dies, this artifact deals 2 damage to that creature's controller.
Artifact
Dingus Staff (wth) 149
Frost Bite
Frost Bite deals 2 damage to target creature or planeswalker. If you control three or more snow permanents, it deals 3 damage instead.
Snow Instant
Frost Bite (khm) 138
Hammerfist Giant
: This creature deals 4 damage to each creature without flying and each player.
Creature - Warrior Giant
Hammerfist Giant (c15) 157
Inferno Titan
: This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
Whenever this creature enters or attacks, it deals 3 damage divided as you choose among one, two, or three targets.
Creature - Giant
Inferno Titan (sld) 224
Into the Fire
Choose one —
• Into the Fire deals 2 damage to each creature, planeswalker, and battle.
• Put any number of cards from your hand on the bottom of your library, then draw that many cards plus one.
Sorcery
Into the Fire (mom) 144
Magmaquake
Magmaquake deals X damage to each creature without flying and each planeswalker.
Instant
Magmaquake (scd) 149
Prophetic Titan
Delirium — When this creature enters, choose one. If there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard, choose both instead.
• This creature deals 4 damage to any target.
• Look at the top four cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Creature - Wizard Giant
Prophetic Titan (mh2) 209
Rolling Earthquake
Rolling Earthquake deals X damage to each creature without horsemanship and each player.
Sorcery
Rolling Earthquake (2xm) 142
Squash
This spell costs
less to cast if you control a Giant.
Squash deals 6 damage to target creature or planeswalker.
Instant
Squash (khm) 152
Storm's Wrath
Storm's Wrath deals 4 damage to each creature and each planeswalker.
Sorcery
Storm's Wrath (thb) 157
Sudden Demise
Choose a color. Sudden Demise deals X damage to each creature of the chosen color.
Sorcery
Sudden Demise (c13) 124
Thundercloud Shaman
When this creature enters, it deals damage equal to the number of Giants you control to each non-Giant creature.
Creature - Shaman Giant
Thundercloud Shaman (mma) 135
Warstorm Surge
Whenever a creature you control enters, it deals damage equal to its power to any target.
Enchantment
Warstorm Surge (afc) 149

Opponent Tears

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Ramp

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Chrome Mox
Imprint — When this artifact enters, you may exile a nonartifact, nonland card from your hand.
: Add one mana of any of the exiled card's colors.
Artifact
Chrome Mox (2xm) 358
Cloud Key
As this artifact enters, choose artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, or sorcery.
Spells you cast of the chosen type cost
less to cast.
Artifact
Cloud Key (fut) 160
Herald's Horn
As this artifact enters, choose a creature type.
Creature spells you cast of the chosen type cost
less to cast.
At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top card of your library. If it's a creature card of the chosen type, you may reveal it and put it into your hand.
Artifact
Herald's Horn (jmp) 469
Lotus Petal
, Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.
Artifact
Lotus Petal (tmp) 294
Mox Amber
: Add one mana of any color among legendary creatures and planeswalkers you control.
Legendary Artifact
Mox Amber (dom) 224
Mox Tantalite
Suspend 3—
(Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay
and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
: Add one mana of any color.
Artifact
Mox Tantalite (mh1) 226
Planar Gate
Creature spells you cast cost
less to cast.
Artifact
Planar Gate (leg) 290
Sol Ring
: Add
.
Artifact
Sol Ring (cc2) 7
Stinkdrinker Daredevil
Giant spells you cast cost
less to cast.
Creature - Goblin Rogue
Stinkdrinker Daredevil (c15) 164
Stone Calendar
Spells you cast cost
less to cast.
Artifact
Stone Calendar (drk) 111
Thryx, the Sudden Storm
Flash (You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant.)
Flying
Spells you cast with mana value 5 or greater cost
less to cast and can't be countered.
Legendary Creature - Elemental Giant
Thryx, the Sudden Storm (thb) 76
Urza's Incubator
As this artifact enters, choose a creature type.
Creature spells of the chosen type cost
less to cast.
Artifact
Urza's Incubator (uds) 142

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Being down a handful of protection cards, I added some to make the giants hit the field faster. Rituals, fast mana artifacts, and ramp, things like "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Mana Drain"}},{"insert":", etc. Yeah, that drew some hate too. I find that people are really offended by tempo plays. \"But I'm playing TERRIBLE BIG CREATURES! I need SOMETHING to get them out!\", I proposed. I just died to the age-old adage, \"he who plays fast mana first, dies out of spite.\" Those cards (along with most of the deck cost) had to go. "},{"attributes":{"blockquote":true},"insert":"\n\n"},{"insert":"In its place, I added \"slower\" cost reducers (Urza's Incubator, Stone Calendar, Planar Gate, Cloud Key, Herald's Horn). Okay, I began to dodge the heat for a while - things felt better! "},{"attributes":{"blockquote":true},"insert":"\n\n"},{"insert":"All good things must come to an end... and that's when I began hanging some hats off of Aegar's \"spell\" trigger. Here in lies the next, great mistake."},{"attributes":{"blockquote":true},"insert":"\n\n"},{"insert":"So it turns out that a giant stomping out a creature to draw you a card feels great... but killing a swarm of small creatures with a card like "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Storm's Wrath"}},{"insert":", or "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Blasphemous Act"}},{"insert":" feels... really great too. Every time something as simple as an "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Into the Fire"}},{"insert":" blasted everything for 2 damage, I'd feel one thousand eyes descend upon me. I sort of didn't get it at first. Then I realized I was burning away everyone's mana dorks and utility pieces constantly, and the deck had been labeled \"board wipe tribal\"."},{"attributes":{"blockquote":true},"insert":"\n\n"},{"insert":"Damn. Introducing a commander with \"more hooks\" brought more hate. Was my dream of Giants dead? "},{"attributes":{"blockquote":true},"insert":"\n\n"},{"insert":"As a last-ditch effort, I tried to include \"thematic\" cards like "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Giant's Grasp"}},{"insert":", "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Crush Underfoot"}},{"insert":", "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Squash"}},{"insert":", and \"snow-mana\" cards... but in the end I ended up with a less potent, watered-down version of what the deck could have been (and was, at times). "},{"attributes":{"blockquote":true},"insert":"\n\n"},{"insert":"Ultimately, this story didn't have a happy ending, down by the river, and Aegar was put to pasture."},{"attributes":{"blockquote":true},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"underline":true,"bold":true},"insert":"Analysis"},{"attributes":{"header":2},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"underline":true,"bold":true},"insert":"Statements to Repair the Reputation"},{"insert":"\nThe player notes that Aegar worked as a strictly giants deck. So the reputation wasn't initially one that was tarnished. However, it seems that the board wipe route proved to build a reputation around this commander. That seems to indicate that any campaigning isn't going to work until the other 99 see some pretty major edits first.\n\n"},{"attributes":{"underline":true,"bold":true},"insert":"New Commanders"},{"insert":"\nThis becomes a conundrum because the deck seemed to start with giants and land on the joy of drawing through torture. The DSM5 has some good notes on sadism. So was the experience about the giants in the end or did you discover something you didn't expect to like more in drawing cards through a red means.\n\nIf I were looking for a giants alternative, I might think about another color pivot and try out "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas"}},{"insert":". She benefits directly from the play of giants and she herself can serve as a quick method of taking down opponents. Even if the giants are long dead, the experience counters they gave Kalemne can serve as a quick one-card way to end the game.\n\n"},{"attributes":{"underline":true,"bold":true},"insert":"Other 99 Edits"},{"insert":"\nThey outlined that the other 99 really was the culprit in the group coming to hate the deck. Any time your deck becomes known as board-wipe tribal, you know the social contract isn't going to help you out.\n\nI agree with the notes that the fast mana and excessive board wipes have got to go if we want Aegar to regain a fun reputation. He's gotta show that he's going to AA and isn't picking up any of that fire water any time soon. Dropping the damaging boardwipes would help and just lean into the giants. I may even drop some of the giants that tap down creatures. Just play those big boys, get haste, and beat face.\n"}]}
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