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{"ops":[{"insert":"This is a Grixis self-discard deck built much more around Green Goblin than Norman Osborn. Norman is the setup phase: he comes down early, attacks safely, connives, filters the hand and puts cards into the graveyard. Growing him before transforming is useful, but the normal goal is to flip once I am ready to turn the graveyard into a second hand.\n\nWith Green Goblin active, timing matters more than raw discard volume. I want to discard cards on the turn I intend to use them, including during opponents’ turns when possible, then cast them from the graveyard through mayhem with the {2} generic discount. This makes expensive printed costs surprisingly efficient and rewards instant-speed discard outlets. The deck should not add discard effects just because they discard; they need to create useful timing windows, card flow or a real payoff.\n\nThe main win condition is damage generated by discarding. Magmakin Artillerist, Cool but Rude, Glint-Horn Buccaneer, Feast of Sanity and Brallin turn repeated or burst discard into a clock on the whole table. Wheels and large discard sequences can become lethal quickly. Commander damage is secondary: when Norman can keep connecting, I can delay the transformation, grow him through connive, then flip into a larger Green Goblin with flying and menace and use those counters to finish someone through combat.\n"}]}

Commander

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Norman Osborn
Norman Osborn can't be blocked.
Whenever Norman Osborn deals combat damage to a player, he connives. (Draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
: Transform Norman Osborn. Activate only as a sorcery.
Legendary Creature - Human Scientist Villain
Norman Osborn // Green Goblin (spm) 39Norman Osborn // Green Goblin (spm) 39

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Discard engine

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Green Goblin, Revenant
Flying, deathtouch
Whenever Green Goblin attacks, discard a card. Then draw a card for each card you've discarded this turn.
Legendary Creature - Human Goblin Villain
Green Goblin, Revenant (spm) 130
Mishra, Excavation Prodigy
Haste
,
, Discard a card: Draw a card.
Whenever you discard one or more artifact cards, add
. This ability triggers only once each turn.
Legendary Creature - Human Artificer
Mishra, Excavation Prodigy (bro) 140
Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion
Trample
Whenever Neheb deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, you may discard any number of cards. If you do, draw that many cards and add that much
. Until end of turn, you don't lose this mana as steps and phases end.
Legendary Creature - Warrior Minotaur Zombie
Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion (dmc) 125
Shadow of the Goblin
Unreliable Visions — At the beginning of your first main phase, discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
Undying Vengeance — Whenever you play a land or cast a spell from anywhere other than your hand, this enchantment deals 1 damage to each opponent.
Enchantment
Shadow of the Goblin (spm) 87
Ultimate Green Goblin
At the beginning of your upkeep, discard a card, then create a Treasure token.
Mayhem
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for
if you discarded it this turn. Timing rules still apply.)
Legendary Creature - Goblin Villain
Ultimate Green Goblin (spm) 157

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Discard payoff

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Archfiend of Ifnir
Flying
Whenever you cycle or discard another card, put a -1/-1 counter on each creature your opponents control.
Cycling
(
, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
Creature - Demon
Archfiend of Ifnir (ecc) 70
Astonishing Spider-Man
Reach
Whenever Astonishing Spider-Man attacks, you may discard your hand. If you do, draw a card for each card you've discarded this turn.
Legendary Creature - Human Spider Hero
Astonishing Spider-Man (msc) 740
Bone Miser
Whenever you discard a creature card, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
Whenever you discard a land card, add
.
Whenever you discard a noncreature, nonland card, draw a card.
Creature - Wizard Zombie
Bone Miser (plst) C19-15
Brallin, Skyshark Rider
Partner with Shabraz, the Skyshark (When this creature enters, target player may put Shabraz into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
Whenever you discard a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Brallin and it deals 1 damage to each opponent.
: Target Shark gains trample until end of turn.
Legendary Creature - Human Shaman
Brallin, Skyshark Rider (c20) 4
Captain Howler, Sea Scourge
Ward—
, Pay 2 life.
Whenever you discard one or more cards, target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn for each card discarded this way. Whenever that creature deals combat damage to a player this turn, you draw a card.
Legendary Creature - Pirate Shark
Captain Howler, Sea Scourge (dft) 194
Cool but Rude
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever you attack, you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
: Level 2
Whenever you discard a card, this Class deals 2 damage to each opponent.
: Level 3
When this Class becomes level 3, search your library for a card, put it into your hand, shuffle, then discard a card at random.
Enchantment - Class
Cool but Rude (tmt) 89
Cryptcaller Chariot
Menace
Whenever you discard one or more cards, create that many tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens.
Crew 2
Artifact - Vehicle
Cryptcaller Chariot (dft) 80
Doctor Doom, King of Latveria
Whenever you discard one or more land cards, each opponent loses 2 life.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, target Villain you control gains menace until end of turn. It connives. (Draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.)
Legendary Creature - Human Villain Noble
Doctor Doom, King of Latveria (msc) 880
Feast of Sanity
Whenever you discard a card, this enchantment deals 1 damage to any target and you gain 1 life.
Enchantment
Feast of Sanity (mh2) 84
Glint-Horn Buccaneer
Haste
Whenever you discard a card, this creature deals 1 damage to each opponent.
, Discard a card: Draw a card. Activate only if this creature is attacking.
Creature - Minotaur Pirate
Glint-Horn Buccaneer (m20) 141
Green Goblin, Nemesis
Flying
Whenever you discard a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on target Goblin you control.
Whenever you discard a land card, create a tapped Treasure token.
Legendary Creature - Human Goblin Villain
Green Goblin, Nemesis (spe) 23
Ivora, Insatiable Heir
Trample
When Ivora enters and whenever it deals combat damage to a player, create a Blood token. (It's an artifact with "
,
, Discard a card, Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
Whenever you discard a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Ivora.
Legendary Creature - Vampire Warrior
Ivora, Insatiable Heir (j25) 50
Living Laser
Haste
Whenever Living Laser attacks, for each card you've discarded this turn, create a token that's a copy of Living Laser, except the token isn't legendary. The tokens enter tapped and attacking. Exile the tokens at the beginning of the next end step.
Legendary Creature - Elemental Villain
Living Laser (msc) 366
Magmakin Artillerist
Whenever you discard one or more cards, this creature deals that much damage to each opponent.
Cycling
(
, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle this card, it deals 1 damage to each opponent.
Creature - Elemental Pirate
Magmakin Artillerist (dft) 137
Marauding Mako
Whenever you discard one or more cards, put that many +1/+1 counters on this creature.
Cycling
(
, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
Creature - Pirate Shark
Marauding Mako (dft) 138
Monument to Endurance
Whenever you discard a card, choose one that hasn't been chosen this turn —
• Draw a card.
• Create a Treasure token.
• Each opponent loses 3 life.
Artifact
Monument to Endurance (dft) 237
Rielle, the Everwise
Rielle gets +1/+0 for each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard.
Whenever you discard one or more cards for the first time each turn, draw that many cards.
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
Rielle, the Everwise (iko) 203
Scrounging Skyray
Flying
Whenever you discard one or more cards, put that many +1/+1 counters on this creature.
Cycling
(
, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
Creature - Fish Pirate
Scrounging Skyray (dft) 60
Surly Badgersaur
Whenever you discard a creature card, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Whenever you discard a land card, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with "
, Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
Whenever you discard a noncreature, nonland card, this creature fights up to one target creature you don't control.
Creature - Dinosaur Badger
Surly Badgersaur (c20) 57
Tinybones, Pocket Nuisance
When Tinybones enters, each opponent discards a card.
Whenever a player discards one or more cards, Tinybones deals 1 damage to each opponent.
Legendary Creature - Skeleton Rogue
Tinybones, Pocket Nuisance (fra) 237

Discard payoff

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Chainer, Nightmare Adept
Discard a card: You may cast a creature spell from your graveyard this turn. Activate only once each turn.
Whenever a nontoken creature you control enters, if you didn't cast it from your hand, it gains haste until your next turn.
Legendary Creature - Human Minion
Chainer, Nightmare Adept (mh2) 289
Iron-Shield Elf
Discard a card: This creature gains indestructible until end of turn. Tap it. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it. If its toughness is 0 or less, it still dies.)
Creature - Warrior Elf
Iron-Shield Elf (ecl) 108
Psychic Frog
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, draw a card.
Discard a card: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Exile three cards from your graveyard: This creature gains flying until end of turn.
Creature - Frog
Psychic Frog (sch) 49
Skirge Familiar
Flying
Discard a card: Add
.
Creature - Imp Phyrexian
Skirge Familiar (mh2) 276

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Comparative Analysis
Surge
(You may cast this spell for its surge cost if you or a teammate has cast another spell this turn.)
Target player draws two cards.
Instant
Comparative Analysis (ogw) 51
Compulsive Research
Target player draws three cards. Then that player discards two cards unless they discard a land card.
Sorcery
Compulsive Research (tdc) 147
Doctor Octopus, Master Planner
Other Villains you control get +2/+2.
Your maximum hand size is eight.
At the beginning of your end step, if you have fewer than eight cards in hand, draw cards equal to the difference.
Legendary Creature - Human Scientist Villain
Doctor Octopus, Master Planner (spm) 128
Electric Revelation
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard a card.
Draw two cards.
Flashback
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost and any additional costs. Then exile it.)
Instant
Electric Revelation (otc) 163
Faithless Looting
Draw two cards, then discard two cards.
Flashback
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Sorcery
Faithless Looting (soc) 244
Focus the Mind
This spell costs
less to cast if you've cast another spell this turn.
Draw three cards, then discard a card.
Instant
Focus the Mind (tdm) 45
Laughing Mad
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard a card.
Draw two cards.
Flashback
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost and any additional costs. Then exile it.)
Instant
Laughing Mad (fin) 143
Leader, Super-Genius
If a creature you control would connive, instead you draw a card, then that creature connives.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, target creature you control connives. (Draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.)
Legendary Creature - Scientist Villain Gamma
Leader, Super-Genius (msh) 64
Path of the Pyromancer
Discard all the cards in your hand. Add
for each card discarded this way, then draw that many cards plus one.
Will of the Planeswalkers — Starting with you, each player votes for planeswalk or chaos. If planeswalk gets more votes, planeswalk. If chaos gets more votes or the vote is tied, chaos ensues.
Sorcery
Path of the Pyromancer (moc) 34
Twinned Vision
Draw a card. If this spell wasn't cast from your hand, draw two cards instead.
Flashback—
, Discard a card. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Instant
Twinned Vision (fra) 157

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Land

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Command Tower
: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity.
Land
Command Tower (eoc) 59
Dragonskull Summit
This land enters tapped unless you control a Swamp or a Mountain.
: Add
or
.
Land
Dragonskull Summit (tdc) 357
Drowned Catacomb
This land enters tapped unless you control an Island or a Swamp.
: Add
or
.
Land
Drowned Catacomb (drc) 152
Exotic Orchard
: Add one mana of any color that a land an opponent controls could produce.
Land
Exotic Orchard (eoc) 159
Foreboding Ruins
As this land enters, you may reveal a Swamp or Mountain card from your hand. If you don't, this land enters tapped.
: Add
or
.
Land
Foreboding Ruins (dsc) 277
Geier Reach Sanitarium
: Add
.
,
: Each player draws a card, then discards a card.
Legendary Land
Geier Reach Sanitarium (lcc) 335
Haunted Ridge
This land enters tapped unless you control two or more other lands.
: Add
or
.
Land
Haunted Ridge (inr) 280
Hidden Lair
: Add
.
: Add
or
. Activate only if this land entered this turn or if you control a basic land.
Land
Hidden Lair (msh) 383
Island
(
: Add
.)
Basic Land - Island
Island (tla) 283
Mountain
(
: Add
.)
Basic Land - Mountain
Mountain (tla) 285
Oscorp Industries
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters from a graveyard, you lose 2 life.
: Add
,
, or
.
Mayhem (You may play this card from your graveyard if you discarded it this turn. Timing rules still apply.)
Land
Oscorp Industries (spm) 182
Restless Vents
This land enters tapped.
: Add
or
.
: Until end of turn, this land becomes a 2/3 black and red Insect creature with menace. It's still a land.
Whenever this land attacks, you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
Land
Restless Vents (lci) 284
River of Tears
: Add
. If you played a land this turn, add
instead.
Land
River of Tears (mkc) 283
Scavenger Grounds
: Add
.
,
, Sacrifice a Desert: Exile all graveyards.
Land - Desert
Scavenger Grounds (otc) 316
Shipwreck Marsh
This land enters tapped unless you control two or more other lands.
: Add
or
.
Land
Shipwreck Marsh (inr) 284
Smoldering Marsh
(
: Add
or
.)
This land enters tapped unless you control two or more basic lands.
Land - Swamp Mountain
Smoldering Marsh (eoc) 182
Stormcarved Coast
This land enters tapped unless you control two or more other lands.
: Add
or
.
Land
Stormcarved Coast (inr) 285
Sulfur Falls
This land enters tapped unless you control an Island or a Mountain.
: Add
or
.
Land
Sulfur Falls (eoc) 184
Sulfurous Springs
: Add
.
: Add
or
. This land deals 1 damage to you.
Land
Sulfurous Springs (eoc) 185
Sunken Palace
This land enters tapped.
: Add
.
,
, Exile seven cards from your graveyard: Add
. When you spend this mana to cast a spell or activate an ability, copy that spell or ability. You may choose new targets for the copy. (Mana abilities can't be copied.)
Land - Cave
Sunken Palace (m3c) 133
Swamp
(
: Add
.)
Basic Land - Swamp
Swamp (tla) 284
Tainted Isle
: Add
.
: Add
or
. Activate only if you control a Swamp.
Land
Tainted Isle (dsc) 303
Underground River
: Add
.
: Add
or
. This land deals 1 damage to you.
Land
Underground River (drc) 181
Villainous Hideout
: Add
.
: Add one mana of any color. Spend this mana only to cast a Villain spell or to activate an ability of a Villain source.
,
: Target Villain you control connives. Activate only as a sorcery. (Draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.)
Land
Villainous Hideout (msh) 276

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Ramp

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Arcane Signet
: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity.
Artifact
Arcane Signet (eoc) 53
Dimir Signet
,
: Add
.
Artifact
Dimir Signet (drc) 129
Emet-Selch of the Third Seat
Spells you cast from your graveyard cost
less to cast.
Whenever one or more opponents lose life, you may cast target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead. Do this only once each turn.
Legendary Creature - Wizard Elder
Emet-Selch of the Third Seat (fic) 170
Fellwar Stone
: Add one mana of any color that a land an opponent controls could produce.
Artifact
Fellwar Stone (tdc) 318
Izzet Signet
,
: Add
.
Artifact
Izzet Signet (tdc) 320
Midnight Clock
: Add
.
: Put an hour counter on this artifact.
At the beginning of each upkeep, put an hour counter on this artifact.
When the twelfth hour counter is put on this artifact, shuffle your hand and graveyard into your library, then draw seven cards. Exile this artifact.
Artifact
Midnight Clock (drc) 79
Mind Stone
: Add
.
,
, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.
Artifact
Mind Stone (dsc) 248
Nightscape Familiar
Blue spells and red spells you cast cost
less to cast.
: Regenerate this creature.
Creature - Zombie
Nightscape Familiar (dmr) 94
Rakdos Signet
,
: Add
.
Artifact
Rakdos Signet (dsc) 250
Sol Ring
: Add
.
Artifact
Sol Ring (eoc) 57
Talisman of Creativity
: Add
.
: Add
or
. This artifact deals 1 damage to you.
Artifact
Talisman of Creativity (tdc) 330
Talisman of Dominance
: Add
.
: Add
or
. This artifact deals 1 damage to you.
Artifact
Talisman of Dominance (drc) 141
Talisman of Indulgence
: Add
.
: Add
or
. This artifact deals 1 damage to you.
Artifact
Talisman of Indulgence (dsc) 254

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Removal

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Big Game Hunter
When this creature enters, destroy target creature with power 4 or greater. It can't be regenerated.
Madness
(If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
Creature - Human Assassin Rebel
Big Game Hunter (tsr) 102
Blasphemous Act
This spell costs
less to cast for each creature on the battlefield.
Blasphemous Act deals 13 damage to each creature.
Sorcery
Blasphemous Act (eoc) 86
Chaos Warp
The owner of target permanent shuffles it into their library, then reveals the top card of their library. If it's a permanent card, they put it onto the battlefield.
Instant
Chaos Warp (eoc) 49
Circular Logic
Counter target spell unless its controller pays
for each card in your graveyard.
Madness
(If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
Instant
Circular Logic (dmr) 42
Lethal Scheme
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for
or one mana of that creature's color.)
Destroy target creature or planeswalker. Each creature that convoked this spell connives. (Draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.)
Instant
Lethal Scheme (msc) 157
Lightning Axe
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard a card or pay
.
Lightning Axe deals 5 damage to target creature.
Instant
Lightning Axe (inr) 162
Terminate
Destroy target creature. It can't be regenerated.
Instant
Terminate (acr) 98

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Utilities

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Anger
Haste
As long as this card is in your graveyard and you control a Mountain, creatures you control have haste.
Creature - Incarnation
Anger (soc) 235

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Wheel

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Drastic Revelation
Discard your hand. Draw seven cards, then discard three cards at random.
Sorcery
Drastic Revelation (arb) 111
Magus of the Wheel
,
, Sacrifice this creature: Each player discards their hand, then draws seven cards.
Creature - Human Wizard
Magus of the Wheel (cmm) 241
Reforge the Soul
Each player discards their hand, then draws seven cards.
Miracle
(You may cast this card for its miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn.)
Sorcery
Reforge the Soul (inr) 167

Wheel

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Artist's Talent
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
: Level 2
Noncreature spells you cast cost
less to cast.
: Level 3
If a source you control would deal noncombat damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals that much damage plus 2 instead.
Enchantment - Class
Artist's Talent (blb) 124
Firestorm
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard X cards.
Firestorm deals X damage to each of X targets.
Instant
Firestorm (wth) 101
Spider-Man, New Champion
Reach
Whenever you discard one or more cards, Spider-Man deals that much damage to any target.
Legendary Creature - Human Spider Hero
Spider-Man, New Champion (msc) 705
Tolarian Winds
Discard all the cards in your hand, then draw that many cards.
Instant
Tolarian Winds (7ed) 105

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Deck Info

Deck stats

0 pips - 0 cards
0 mana - 6 cards
20 pips - 17 cards
27 mana - 26 cards
25 pips - 21 cards
31 mana - 30 cards
38 pips - 33 cards
28 mana - 27 cards
0 pips - 0 cards
0 mana - 6 cards
0 pips - 0 cards
13 mana - 12 cards
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{"ops":[{"insert":"This is a Grixis self-discard deck built much more around Green Goblin than Norman Osborn. Norman is the setup phase: he comes down early, attacks safely, connives, filters the hand and puts cards into the graveyard. Growing him before transforming is useful, but the normal goal is to flip once I am ready to turn the graveyard into a second hand.\n\nWith Green Goblin active, timing matters more than raw discard volume. I want to discard cards on the turn I intend to use them, including during opponents’ turns when possible, then cast them from the graveyard through mayhem with the {2} generic discount. This makes expensive printed costs surprisingly efficient and rewards instant-speed discard outlets. The deck should not add discard effects just because they discard; they need to create useful timing windows, card flow or a real payoff.\n\nThe main win condition is damage generated by discarding. Magmakin Artillerist, Cool but Rude, Glint-Horn Buccaneer, Feast of Sanity and Brallin turn repeated or burst discard into a clock on the whole table. Wheels and large discard sequences can become lethal quickly. Commander damage is secondary: when Norman can keep connecting, I can delay the transformation, grow him through connive, then flip into a larger Green Goblin with flying and menace and use those counters to finish someone through combat.\n"}]}
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