Sultai Chat - Top Commanders and Key Cards

{"ops":[{"insert":"So the most common way for Tasigur to win is by \n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Isochron Scepter"}},{"insert":" + "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Dramatic Reversal"}},{"insert":" or "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Deadeye Navigator"}},{"insert":" + "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Palinchron"}},{"insert":"/"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Peregrine Drake"}},{"insert":") and then utilising his ability to put your entire library into your graveyard and then into your hand (minus the lands). For those unsure of how this works with infinite activations of Tasigur's ability the opponent is eventually forced to give you everything in your graveyard.\n\nFrom here it should be easy to win with infinite mana and your whole deck in hand. A couple of ways to achieve this are as follows:\n\n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Laboratory Maniac"}},{"insert":"/"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Jace, Wielder of Mysteries"}},{"insert":" + any draw spell. Self-explanatory, you win the game for having nothing in your library.\n\n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Reality Shift"}},{"insert":" + "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Beast Within"}},{"insert":" . So this is a bit more involved. Firstly if they have no creature you need to cast Beast targeting one of their permanents. Then you cast Reality Shift targeting the beast token, causing them to manifest the top card of their library. Then you activate Tasigur's ability to force the opponent to put Reality Shift back into your hand, where you recast it targeting the manifest creature and then continue on. Eventually this will exile their entire library. As an added bonus you can also bring back Beast Within to then recast it to blow up all their permanents, including lands, and then exile all the tokens with Reality Shift.\n\nIf you are worried about disruption remember you are in blue with infinite mana and your whole deck in your hands. If your counters are in the yard then you can just use Tasigur to bring them back.\n\nAlternatively you can just punch them in the face with Tasigur. He does have 5 power after all.\n"}]}

{"ops":[{"insert":"This is a great resource you're putting together here!\n\nIn your first post, you ask what the win-con is in "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Muldrotha, the Gravetide"}},{"insert":" decks. To be honest, I think the answer is about as nebulous as it would be for a lot of other Sultai commanders: value. In my experience, most Sultai decks tend to win by grinding out their opponents' resources while developing and recurring their own. This is effectively what Muldrotha, "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Sidisi, Brood Tyrant"}},{"insert":" and "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Damia, Sage of Stone"}},{"insert":" aim to do. Even many "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Sidisi, Brood Tyrant"}},{"insert":" lean less heavily into actually supporting the zombies directly, instead playing the value game with the intention of eventually grinding down what's left of opponents with the 2/2's it develops naturally. When I lose to a deck with one of these commanders, it tends to be when I've just gotten so far behind on resources or locked out via "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger"}},{"insert":", "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur"}},{"insert":", etc. that just about anything the Sultai deck has in play will kill me. \n\nMost of the Sultai commander support this value game, just from different angles. "},{"insert":{"card-link":"The Mimeoplasm"}},{"insert":" (and to a lesser extent, Sidsi), really stands out as the only significant one with a clear plan for how to end the game. If you like drawing cards, having your graveyard act as a second hand, and needing to solve the puzzle of how to close out each individual game with your vast array of resources, this is definitely the color combination for you. \n"}]}

{"ops":[{"insert":"You know, one of the most interesting Damia, Sage of Stone decks I’ve seen is my friend’s Persistent Petitioners deck. Since they are so low in CMC having the consistent draw to 7 and sultai control options lets you get plenty out of each turn. I don’t have his list or key cards on hand, unfortunately, but I know he runs a mix of ramp and control with his main mill wincon. \n"}]}

{"ops":[{"insert":"I agree with Jeremy, this is a very useful resource for all kinds of Sultai aficionados. ;)\n\nI've come up with some more recomendations for your list:\n\nGraveyard Land:\n\n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Geier Reach Sanitarium"}},{"insert":" - easy way to dump key cards into your graveyard"},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"\n\"Fetch\" lands (that are a bit clunky, but still useful when you want to fill your graveyard with land cards while fixing mana base):\n\nMirage slow fetches (especially "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Bad River"}},{"insert":") - basically Evolving Wilds that fetch for dual lands"},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"Jund/Bant/"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Esper Panorama"}},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Warped Landscape"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"\nMore valuable Dead than Alive:\n\n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Genesis"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Eternal Scourge"}},{"insert":" /"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Torrent Elemental"}},{"insert":" /"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Misthollow Griffin"}},{"insert":" - can be repeatedly exiled for value"},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"\nGraveyard Reclaimers:\n\n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Whip of Erebos"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Greenwarden of Murasa"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Palace Siege"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":{"card-link":"Deadbridge Chant"}},{"insert":" - recetly reprinted in guild kit and surprisingly good in Tasigur"},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"\nbtw.\nThere are two interesting applications of "},{"insert":{"card-link":"The Mimeoplasm"}},{"insert":" 's ability that I used in my casual Eldrazi Tribal deck ("},{"attributes":{"link":"https://archidekt.com/decks/178448"},"insert":"https://archidekt.com/decks/178448"},{"insert":"):\n\n1. Some creatures (like "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Fertilid"}},{"insert":") use counters as a cost to activate their abilities. You can copy both Fertilid and some big creature to transform it's high power into useful counters. For example exiling "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Impervious Greatwurm"}},{"insert":" traslates into 16 activations of \"Rampant Growth\" ability.\n\n2. The Mimeoplasm allows you to have any creature (within it's color identity) as a \"commander\". Always wanted to inflict commander damage with your "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Jeering Homunculus"}},{"insert":"? Mr Green Jelly got you covered! Just mill it together with "},{"insert":{"card-link":"It That Betrays"}},{"insert":", exile them with your commander, and smash face with 11/15 irritating blue guy. ;)\n\n"}]}

{"ops":[{"insert":"Part III - "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Fact or Fiction"}},{"insert":" \n\nCard advantage when you utilise your graveyard is very powerful. It changes which cards you want to play to maximise the power of drawing cards. 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{"ops":[{"insert":"Part II - Into the "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Opulent Palace"}},{"insert":"\n\nThe Sultai clan typically cares about their graveyard - they are also three coloured.  This gives some interesting lands to play with - but can also be a challenge to balance out.  I've listed out the cheaper options for fixing your mana alongside cards that care about what is in your graveyard\n\nGraveyard Lands:\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Svogthos, the Restless Tomb"}},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Mortuary Mire"}},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)","background":"#ffffff"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Dakmor Salvage"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":" "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Memorial to Folly"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Crypt of Agadeem"}},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":" "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Buried Ruin"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":" "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Haunted Fengraf"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"Tri-colour Lands: \n "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Opulent Palace"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Vivid Creek"}},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)","background":"#ffffff"},"insert":"; "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Vivid Marsh"}},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" & "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Vivid Grove"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Command Tower"}},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)","background":"#ffffff"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Exotic Orchard"}},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":"'Fetch' Lands:"},{"insert":"\n "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Evolving Wilds"}},{"insert":" & "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Terramorphic Expanse"}},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":" "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Blighted Woodland"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":" "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Myriad Landscape"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)","background":"#ffffff"},"insert":"Tri-colour Artifacts:"},{"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Commander's Sphere"}},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)","background":"#ffffff"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":{"card-link":"Fellwar Stone"}},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":" "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Chromatic Lantern"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"},"insert":"Ramp:"},{"insert":"\n2 mana: "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Rampant Growth"}},{"insert":" & "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Farseek"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"3 mana: "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Cultivate"}},{"insert":" & "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Kodama's Reach"}},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"4 mana: "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Explosive Vegetation"}},{"insert":"; "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Circuitous Route"}},{"insert":" & "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Skyshroud Claim"}},{"insert":" "},{"attributes":{"list":"bullet"},"insert":"\n"}]}