infinite combos making my deck a bracket 4?

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Danath avatarDanath 8 months
{"ops":[{"insert":{"card-link":"Satya, Aetherflux Genius"}},{"insert":" "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Lightning Runner"}},{"insert":" "},{"insert":{"card-link":"Stone Idol Generator"}},{"insert":" \nSo these cards are included in the MH3 precon and did not realize Satya/Lightning runner or Lightning runner/Stone idol mad an \"infinite\" together. Granted both of these need more then just the two cards to actually make in Infinite combo work. The Satya/Lightning runner needs at least some energy already banked to start off the chain and the Lightning runner/Idol need multiple creatures on board for the combo to work (so not really a 2 card combo). So since all precons are supposed to be a bracket 2 and i would argue since there is no tutors in my deck that actually pulling off one of these is just to up to the luck of the draw that saying even a slightly altered precon is a 4 is a bit of a stretch.\n"}]}
Edited 4/5/2025, 1:06:05 AM
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{"ops":[{"insert":"I disagree. The satya + lightning runner combo can proc itself since lightning runner can aquire 6 energy relatively trivially (which does make it a 2 card combo, albeit probably more of a late game 2 card combo). The lightning runner + stone idol infinite combo doesn't effect the bracket estimation, we just warn people because it "},{"attributes":{"italic":true},"insert":"could"},{"insert":" go infinite pretty trivially and that's something the builder should be aware of..\n\nIf I were splitting hairs, I'd say that the Satya + lightning runner combo, should put the deck at a 3 rather than a 4. But the estimator does mention:\n\n"},{"insert":{"image":"data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAeoAAAAtCAIAAADulb/VAAASvklEQVR4nO2dP2gkS37Ha/e9Ld+xlbzimSvzcJs7Ct5dB6ajjjpYOnh0sIxBdCDGRkwgOlgabmjwMGfEBMOAB4EbBY0wzQaDgmGDQUGjoFHQbNBRY3BjcIO5Yrnrw6ac1IKv3nHU8t5zMFqtNBppR/fe2129q08kzbSmfvWtX33r7+zeu3//PrjAvXv3vv76a6DRaDSaD5uPAQC2bZ///vnnn5dl+f7i0Wg0Gs3befHixf23P6XRaDSaDw9t3xqNRnMn0fat0Wg0dxJt3xqNRnMn0fat0Wg0dxJt3xqNRnMn0fat0Wg0dxJt3xqNRnMn0fat0Wg0dxJt3xqNRnMn0fat0Wg0dxJt3xqNRnMn0fat0Wg0dxJt3xqNRnMn0fat0Wg0dxJt3xqNRnMn0fat0Wg0dxJt3xqNRgMAAAASy7EMeOPb5Nq33z0b2jdEGCHqRaFLEMZw+QK2g6FvYoQRBAAgMzw6PR65y9oh04v2j05OT48iB1/zodgdHZ8c+KtqISt8enpy4FN0Q0DYGT47PZ5410v9VrAdHZ0cBuYH1BrvD+wMn50cdj98MSDtHp48i+ybkmMVZAZPT44i6zZ/8y35HvSExJucPH/N6cmzp5PAvbGTvJ3vVBlIvP3jk8MuvVBpaHQOTk4OfPq9J9btEgNZ0dHJ0+ByWNBwg2HgGRgCAKBhd0eHz06ePz89PtoPXYoAQNQLotD9FqbzHbOZfUNEvWgUeNTsRMOeYyBo2L3h0LcMpzeMfAuv1AcSuxu4uBpvP96JS3H+OrLCw6eRfZ2fL1GyZU3TCqVufIixhrVCbhT/nwh2hk8PA/Md9nqN5kYkmz95/OjR4+1BXHDDHw67725Q+qF3B0S9jinyrOYKYCsYjXzSzse7O4NZg73hsGchUS9yQTveB6PBZvatpGg5IJQaBErWCgUEZxJRSg2sOGvlqtMijKFkFROX3oCYGKtOv6Ywlk37g7hob7JvWS/2+oO0Ejc99C2B2CA3jzQazXtB8rqYpfNaGbb9ruaCP/TugKhrE1FWTAIAEYZtHo/jrGJtnc3mtcSGgaFsq5IT2/mWi57vjI83ewwiwBbpTNgiyyVEEAAky1kiXVIuGojgxQx6SP1f7YcmAub+sQdEMd4dFwIAZPqTSWhhAPaPO0Dke7spAABgqzfpWJaBVVvO43hRC0D9/X1fJP1pIWkn6PmOZWDF62KWpDk7m24jMzjYd5rxk7iGVifodRzLgKKtizRJy3Pjh4bTC3quZRCkeJ2n8axo183XEXV7Qdc1KUayLbMkmVXKDCcT30TAOjzpgnbRf5IwoxOGXcckSPI6T+P06ggDieP3fM8yMMHLFhbl+Mk/M/r3q2Eo2j2YuLzmhFKMeJXOKtoLOxQB2ZazOMmZBACZN5WITT8MfdskSAlWLdJ4UUns9MKeZ1MMz18TCm5SFgAAW/7EtSyKAW/ydJoUrQLQcMOo55gGhpI35TxJsmZVQkj9/f0emPcHC6YAAMjs7k88Nu0vJfNtSpA6bxxgdg/2vXbcn1YCAEi7BwcdNt6NGxodDkmW1mbXdw2ePunP2bK2ENt+FPq2gRVvGkEgYK+zYI0+kNh+GPg2xVDxppwncXGxqa3uZOSr+d54cVYPZEUHQ6OtFTENAto8nTM7CFwDAcnOPhNi2w97HZsSBHhTzOKkAN76KsfVm8XmOj1vblNsdoLAt00DA8HKeZJk9Q0TFAiBUlIBgKwV6f4xx393OeCcyc2VaYkXhD3XfPPXgq50h19mxq8OQlLuXarxTSx1ZrWipoEwAm05m8Z5qxB1u13fsQjGZ32G5/+03/7DnlMnOfZ7LpXZ4MlcuVeVuWViGE4QBZ5pINXWjVqZSEJiUiyahisAgGqLePxaHGhYjqGaec0VUJwxgU2TwJp9jzPHTdlw71s2ZVE1TVm1bVPVrVRtVZQ1q8qGt3XVXEqxL9lib5A2khfjrUePtsaFOPuIxd7enMk2G2w9erQ1Xe6pIGKoMhnsPhnn0uqF3YvLkgeG0+05MN/b+uKL3fGiatdlMjTcoGvJRf/xF1v9OKv4xYcQNhBfjHe2tvqzhnTC0Fk7VYGIUMjmg+3H24M5N/2oZ2NRJ3vjrD1brO4kDXLDUWjLIt7derwbM3Ppf5fBVjfwKUv621uPd+OSizoZTAv+F+vDgJgQMR/s7vTj1hruR7Sa7mxt9+fSDkOPQkhuKhESNxwFNijjJ1uPtwezikvw0PSHQ99o53s727t7C0F7w6G33N57S1lnahFQpf3tL7YGBXDC0DMgtoJR5KI6Hexs78alssNR5F45u1GsWFSSemeLSmx6HuF5/p/IjUaBKbLp7vbOYMZIZzj0b153YqvbNUWe7u0l564GiRMOe5Yspk92nkwzDs8mC+v1gdSLhj1T5OPdrcfb48VF+4OQuGHko2I6vTwGQWygJh3s7PTn0h3tBzjf297a2SugF4auAQEkhMh8uru1tRvX0A2jjtGurXJ90cnW6HlzmwKIDUNVSX/r8c64UHYQda+VCxpO16eyWryerFyS7t6VgCncWBlo94aRC6tksP14e1ribtS11Ep3qL+UnLGGsVstfxGxLFQl/Z2dnb1M2UHo0YfE7gUeLuPd7a2tfloLXk4H8b/9H4DI7PQcVabTvemCqTXK/AmJ0TF4Nt7dfpKUEq5u+GKCFWf8Yn0gcUfHz0+PIqNOzoZZxRlXyCAfxvT7NjdPRFOW7ELWq7Yqa/7txiDZZPO8Ym1TLrJaYnplcwVialoUi6Ysm2tSRUFEqGkakNfLpc+biOt5nOSNkKLOF0ULibl270bxMo3TgknJq3xRCWSsCcPybMQW6bxgQvI6K4Th2sZD6h8cnz5//vz56fGBTx8AAIASUiqlpJRKSanUtWEoJdu6lUCJtmZCtVXVCCXbpuaAmOST9SXCN/FYiM3jtGiEFKzMikb9jetRWaTJomo5qxbJrAKmZ9O3l7XMRcnyRVa1Qokmzxmgjvn533oO4VmS5nXLWZEm8wZZnn317F3UWdYSp2MTCA27Y8NmUfz2r5yOBapZvCgZb+ssSQtpeC59eFM+iCqNk0VeVs3rxILYdC3I5smsaNq2LrKzBdT6FvnZz2zPBHWazEompGiK7E3KItqJApOl46t7bkowxiVQvKm5kqysWqkEqxoBCcUQyCaL46zmUrBikTcAU4LWVfnyhOyqnn/9k5vaFADF8iSeV62UbbnIaokMspKIiHYPT54/f/789GjkqnK2eNMBL0q3JuBPjA2VwabrGLxI07zmUjRF3iLbvTKMKFGlg/44Y7c5fVKSFfO8FkqJpsgbQF2TPAAAnPeW1x1nWaF6HifzvKgaLtco85Of3C4xLJeqepbMSsbbarnDfREIETjrr2/i5cV469Hj3aS1hpPQxgAApYRQAMJV938/bLh58i5QSgFwUZRXbZHGuNf1R4chaItkHK9JFsXyJCa9bm/SiRTL4nFycTGKDNvzfdckCEJsINlcUzaiTsfvOJQgCAmB7ZonMEKI+pNDTwEAAEQESwbvsWz8pEIQAKCkEELNZ9X+8OA4gEC0TZme7eC/JYzXKaMu/grXlwjPHkMYQcn5xdkeRBgBcX6cqwTnElKCILjw1PqyVkWVUgJI/vLTTzAE4nxBowQXEhrrbk5JVmR1J+g4lEPPlOW44vcoQVAy/vpgRPJWAHvVj1YLFlfPUQiGivMr84S1+jz8BCAgGb8y0iOjM9kHqpn3yxsPVcDF/nv+MySW5/uuZWAIEUGghGurfN0Hn+mJHz4EN7Xpcqzyfc+mGEJEMGxWxZJsPuinjYSIGKbTiw4O7Wl/Wl2R7mrADxDeSBmIEEaQOMNDS53pTFS5mVspCSDGF+oDAEQQAHn1GoJSUipIyL3/nc3m7n54eBJBJdomT2eVAAADpS7VaI0yD/GtEgNiKOu1K/jXIQEIIbgY/BLJikXu7XsOxVUlAIQAKHXjxYp3xgdk32tQbTkfl3NIbH84DKIO68+bK7JJViR7RQINJxgOw5Cxvez1etIOJyOTzZJpUXPcOzhw1pYCiTechKROk3HRCDN8OqJXH5JCCF6l/XGxmi68PXdHaNiepfK97eTi/G7DMDYv8exdhQjB4I03KykkMA2Mlq9BhAlSgl/xw7cDMSFQif/+n5efKUAJhqBVy5cxUmKtSyleLUp/1AkCQNosaSQAkkuFMEEQSAUAQNjAQDKhFLk6YNyAklIBdNU/1uoDqS8AIgSfFfrm6TaLU+kP/ShoBkl5uzW/1ZtMXJGlcVwy5O0f9K6r8jWc6clffglvalNIO6NJFxZpMiga4IwOw2uX6EpyVpcF69oGxbDaIOBXkm+mjBRCiCbbO9vVP+etx5ZKtE2rbGoaqDkTAxLTIqBdXN1jgQhjqESrHlLHo3w2GMzrNwKuNvZaZV7dKjHMrlQQomsTTwkhgbnsPNDoTPY7PB683teHCIJlQXB5K+P7vDJxC97p13aUEgogjDEx6CabR4g6rmNiqETbcrl+xIPYdN3lYUzLxKWHEKEGEnWWV0xAYtLr5n2QmAZsiyyvWwmpRV9nhFLqLFxKkajySprdnmNAACCmru9fvXSrBGPC6Owv91OeP3+237XJJxuGscIrflOJStR5JQzPdwwIAKKO33Hwb4ucQbvjUgQAxGbHN0GTVxsfsUBiUgMCAA3H9wxRZvV//UdecuJ0liEQu+NRWecVB4bjdz3zcocWTZYxbFmoycpWAaDaMquV2emYGAKAqOvbsM1z9lJyLhG16fJl6y3fg1C8LhmgnmtiALHpdb2lCGqtPrCt8lqZfsfCcDlj69jkwesAZ+NpDtxo2LnVza8H2KBYNllWNAIQar1J3dUqv03P3/3upjaFyDAJYHlW1BwgwzKu9xoACbW9btdCgjX8ylH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don't determin whether or not a combo is an early or late game combo with the estimator, that's too subjective. As far as the actual estimation is concerned, I feel like we're doing the correct thing here. The fact that the deck is a precon I don't think is super relevant. The estimator takes into account all of the data points that wotc provided, and is only an estimate; it shouldn't be taken as the end-all-be-all. If you feel like the deck is a 2, then mark the deck as a 2, there's nothing stopping you from doing that via the deck settings. \n"}]}
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Danath avatarDanath 8 months
{"ops":[{"insert":"Thanks for the info. In the games Iv played with the deck when I win, Iv always done it by just normal combat damage or commander damage. Now that i know of the combo ill probably just take out lightning runner.\n"}]}
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